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		<title>Comment on Playing the dice game with developers by TImothy Korson</title>
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		<dc:creator>TImothy Korson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 00:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Could you write out the words to the Rapid tester song for me?

&lt;em&gt;OK, will do.&lt;/em&gt;

2. The dice game sounds like fun. Is it written up anywhere with guidelines for the overseer?

&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t know. I suspect not, since that would let people read up on it before experiencing it. I can check with Paul Holland and see.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Could you write out the words to the Rapid tester song for me?</p>
<p><em>OK, will do.</em></p>
<p>2. The dice game sounds like fun. Is it written up anywhere with guidelines for the overseer?</p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t know. I suspect not, since that would let people read up on it before experiencing it. I can check with Paul Holland and see.</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Playing the dice game with developers by Agile Testing Games &#124; (Agile) Testing</title>
		<link>http://tester.geordiekeitt.com/2009/09/playing-the-dice-game-with-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-5904</link>
		<dc:creator>Agile Testing Games &#124; (Agile) Testing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Dice Game Dice game: Key life skills for testers Playing the dice game with developers [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m Gonna Be a Rapid Tester Someday by Rob van Steenbergen</title>
		<link>http://tester.geordiekeitt.com/2008/01/im-gonna-be-a-rapid-tester-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-4879</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob van Steenbergen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice song! Liked it and a smile on my face. Thanks, will share it too via my newsletter.

&lt;em&gt;Great, thanks!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice song! Liked it and a smile on my face. Thanks, will share it too via my newsletter.</p>
<p><em>Great, thanks!</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Eric Jacobson</title>
		<link>http://tester.geordiekeitt.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-4762</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Jacobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Geordie.  What&#039;s up, man?  I met you at CAST2011.  Do you mind if I post a 20 second clip of your Creep cover on my blog?  I took it with my iphone during your emerging topics session.  Shoot me an email so I can have yours.

Thanks,
Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Geordie.  What&#8217;s up, man?  I met you at CAST2011.  Do you mind if I post a 20 second clip of your Creep cover on my blog?  I took it with my iphone during your emerging topics session.  Shoot me an email so I can have yours.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Eric</p>
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		<title>Comment on Counting on Friends by Adam White</title>
		<link>http://tester.geordiekeitt.com/2010/03/counting-on-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-3886</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting problem you have there...languages are always fun. I like the logic behind your choosing of the languages.  

Does the problem have to be this big though? We phased in different languages......starting with customer demand. French, German, Japanese was the rough order. It kind of sounds like you are trying to bite all of them at once.


Another way to test this. Create two virtual machines.....English OS on one and other language of desire on the other...let&#039;s say Chinese

Open the installer on the English one.....open the installer on the Chinese one. Now you have something to compare.

Click next on English one.......Click next on the Chinese one.

There is actually an app that will mimic mouse clicks you make in one screen....and execute the same clicks on the other.

The above suggestion does nothing to tell you if the the text you see is translated properly.....but i should allow you to get the program installed and running quickly.

&lt;em&gt;Geordie&#039;s reply -- Hey Adam, thanks for the thoughts.  The side by side idea occurred to me but I have no faith that the screens are really the same between installers.  And in the Hebrew installer everything is oriented right to left so I have no faith the the left buttons would mean the same thing.  Also, the reason for doing all this work at once is that it really isn&#039;t that much work.  We are testing the proof of concept that the software works ON non-English operating systems, not that it works IN non-English languages.  So once we set these systems up we just install and run through our features.  Everything will be in English in terms of menus and error messages, so it should not be bad.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting problem you have there&#8230;languages are always fun. I like the logic behind your choosing of the languages.  </p>
<p>Does the problem have to be this big though? We phased in different languages&#8230;&#8230;starting with customer demand. French, German, Japanese was the rough order. It kind of sounds like you are trying to bite all of them at once.</p>
<p>Another way to test this. Create two virtual machines&#8230;..English OS on one and other language of desire on the other&#8230;let&#8217;s say Chinese</p>
<p>Open the installer on the English one&#8230;..open the installer on the Chinese one. Now you have something to compare.</p>
<p>Click next on English one&#8230;&#8230;.Click next on the Chinese one.</p>
<p>There is actually an app that will mimic mouse clicks you make in one screen&#8230;.and execute the same clicks on the other.</p>
<p>The above suggestion does nothing to tell you if the the text you see is translated properly&#8230;..but i should allow you to get the program installed and running quickly.</p>
<p><em>Geordie&#8217;s reply &#8212; Hey Adam, thanks for the thoughts.  The side by side idea occurred to me but I have no faith that the screens are really the same between installers.  And in the Hebrew installer everything is oriented right to left so I have no faith the the left buttons would mean the same thing.  Also, the reason for doing all this work at once is that it really isn&#8217;t that much work.  We are testing the proof of concept that the software works ON non-English operating systems, not that it works IN non-English languages.  So once we set these systems up we just install and run through our features.  Everything will be in English in terms of menus and error messages, so it should not be bad.</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Testaphor Improv by Adam White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a funny comment but then I realized it wasn&#039;t so funny. You know this reminds me of testing...you know when you have an idea and it seems really good.....and then it doesn&#039;t work out.....that&#039;s what my first response was like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a funny comment but then I realized it wasn&#8217;t so funny. You know this reminds me of testing&#8230;you know when you have an idea and it seems really good&#8230;..and then it doesn&#8217;t work out&#8230;..that&#8217;s what my first response was like.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Playing the dice game with developers by Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Geordie,

I found your blog entry while searching for the rules for Jame&#039;s dice game. I played it at PNSQC last fall and can&#039;t fully remember the rules. I had such a great time playing it and wanted to share it with my team next week. Could you drop me a line with help/advice on how to present the game to my team? Thanks in advance!

&lt;em&gt;Geordie&#039;s reply - I&#039;ll catch you on email, Dawn.  Thanks for stopping by.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Geordie,</p>
<p>I found your blog entry while searching for the rules for Jame&#8217;s dice game. I played it at PNSQC last fall and can&#8217;t fully remember the rules. I had such a great time playing it and wanted to share it with my team next week. Could you drop me a line with help/advice on how to present the game to my team? Thanks in advance!</p>
<p><em>Geordie&#8217;s reply &#8211; I&#8217;ll catch you on email, Dawn.  Thanks for stopping by.</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Testaphor Improv by Marlena Compton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlena Compton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The church across the street from my apartment has had a sign up for weeks that says, no joke, &quot;U2charist.&quot;  I&#039;m guessing that the U2 song, &quot;I will follow&quot; is included.  Wondering how they&#039;ll work in &quot;Sunday, Bloody Sunday.&quot;

So if testing is mayonnaise, how would miracle whip compare?

&lt;em&gt;Geordie&#039;s Reply - I suppose it depends on your testing denomination.  Some of us are more skeptical of miracles than others.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The church across the street from my apartment has had a sign up for weeks that says, no joke, &#8220;U2charist.&#8221;  I&#8217;m guessing that the U2 song, &#8220;I will follow&#8221; is included.  Wondering how they&#8217;ll work in &#8220;Sunday, Bloody Sunday.&#8221;</p>
<p>So if testing is mayonnaise, how would miracle whip compare?</p>
<p><em>Geordie&#8217;s Reply &#8211; I suppose it depends on your testing denomination.  Some of us are more skeptical of miracles than others.</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Playing the dice game with developers by Niresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Geordie,
I had fun playing Dice game at James Tutorial with you @ CAST 2009. I was planning to have my team the game and i currently learning the dice game. I might need you help leaning the game. Rest is fine with me.

&lt;em&gt;Geordie&#039;s reply: If you need help remembering how to play or how to be the overseer, then drop me a line.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Geordie,<br />
I had fun playing Dice game at James Tutorial with you @ CAST 2009. I was planning to have my team the game and i currently learning the dice game. I might need you help leaning the game. Rest is fine with me.</p>
<p><em>Geordie&#8217;s reply: If you need help remembering how to play or how to be the overseer, then drop me a line.</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Testing is &#8230; raking leaves by Lanette C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lanette C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another reason why measuring the tester performance on &quot;number of leaves raked&quot; is a terrible thing.

Also, how useful is measuring the percentage of solid ground compared to last fall? What if the wind is less, the summer later, or the leave growth from the previous summer less? Also, other factors besides leaves could make the ground problematic for children, such as if it were flooded.

This comparison works for me except testing is also estimating how long it will take to rake leaves in the future without a weather report or a count on the number of children on swings to push.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another reason why measuring the tester performance on &#8220;number of leaves raked&#8221; is a terrible thing.</p>
<p>Also, how useful is measuring the percentage of solid ground compared to last fall? What if the wind is less, the summer later, or the leave growth from the previous summer less? Also, other factors besides leaves could make the ground problematic for children, such as if it were flooded.</p>
<p>This comparison works for me except testing is also estimating how long it will take to rake leaves in the future without a weather report or a count on the number of children on swings to push.</p>
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